Benchmark
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Gary Harding
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Re: Benchmark
Actually I have never come across anyone that says one "should" imitate any of the greats. i.e. ".. if they did it that way then we should too". Never. If they said it, it would be bad advice surely as nobody can imitate them. Those folk pass through the world only once.
"that way" is also a puzzle. Does it mean try and imitate ... or does it mean write in a perfect ballad form, as they do by example... but with all the attributes I mentioned previously. I would say the second is likely.
Who could do it "that way" of CJ Dennis in the vernacular. Who would be crazy enough to suggest others try it. I tried decades ago, got to a couple of lines and tore it up... as it was so amateur, clumsy and off.
They might though, as bush poetry comps frequently do, require a traditional Australian ballad form of poetry writing, and cite Lawson/Paterson as being excellent exponents/examples of same, in case anyone needs clarification and guidance. Fair enough.
But that is a far cry from someone saying "they did it this way and so should you" It is a subtle difference in intent, but important to appreciate what was meant.
I have never heard of anyone saying someone "should" write in any particular way.... we all evolve our own comfortable and signature techniques, don't we? I have never been told to do it this way or that.
Lots of nevers there I suppose....
The word "should" suggests compulsion and that after all is anathema to most good free-thinking poets surely.?.. and would be rejected.
Heather's question : "Did Lawson Paterson "write to rules"? "
As an aside, I do not write about death, misery or things that may upset the reader or evoke tears of pain through bad memories. One should not need to resort to that to be a capable writer.
Write a poem about "cancer and the agony of the sufferer and their relatives".... or how it feels to see dementia take over a loved one. Let me tell you others may revel in such pain-evoking stuff... but not this boy! And no bad language either.
BUT... those "rules" of writing, above and beyond those of technique in balladry, are personal. But are rules nevertheless and may be different to the Masters, or not. I think they probably had their own rules... both technique and subject matter. IMO
Anyway... I cannot say "Who" said ".. if they did it that way then we should too", as I have never hear it said.
You write as you see fit surely? and not as anyone says you "should", and express your views as long as you are allowed to do so.... even if others may disagree, heaven forbid!..... and devil take the hindmost I reckon
"that way" is also a puzzle. Does it mean try and imitate ... or does it mean write in a perfect ballad form, as they do by example... but with all the attributes I mentioned previously. I would say the second is likely.
Who could do it "that way" of CJ Dennis in the vernacular. Who would be crazy enough to suggest others try it. I tried decades ago, got to a couple of lines and tore it up... as it was so amateur, clumsy and off.
They might though, as bush poetry comps frequently do, require a traditional Australian ballad form of poetry writing, and cite Lawson/Paterson as being excellent exponents/examples of same, in case anyone needs clarification and guidance. Fair enough.
But that is a far cry from someone saying "they did it this way and so should you" It is a subtle difference in intent, but important to appreciate what was meant.
I have never heard of anyone saying someone "should" write in any particular way.... we all evolve our own comfortable and signature techniques, don't we? I have never been told to do it this way or that.
Lots of nevers there I suppose....
The word "should" suggests compulsion and that after all is anathema to most good free-thinking poets surely.?.. and would be rejected.
Heather's question : "Did Lawson Paterson "write to rules"? "
As an aside, I do not write about death, misery or things that may upset the reader or evoke tears of pain through bad memories. One should not need to resort to that to be a capable writer.
Write a poem about "cancer and the agony of the sufferer and their relatives".... or how it feels to see dementia take over a loved one. Let me tell you others may revel in such pain-evoking stuff... but not this boy! And no bad language either.
BUT... those "rules" of writing, above and beyond those of technique in balladry, are personal. But are rules nevertheless and may be different to the Masters, or not. I think they probably had their own rules... both technique and subject matter. IMO
Anyway... I cannot say "Who" said ".. if they did it that way then we should too", as I have never hear it said.
You write as you see fit surely? and not as anyone says you "should", and express your views as long as you are allowed to do so.... even if others may disagree, heaven forbid!..... and devil take the hindmost I reckon
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Bob Pacey
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Re: Benchmark
what a finish and factual as well.
Eighteen Eighteen
Spot on David and that musta been only 24 years ago how time flies.
A great yarn David I think I have heard something similar about some bloke from Snowy river.
Bob
Eighteen Eighteen Spot on David and that musta been only 24 years ago how time flies.
A great yarn David I think I have heard something similar about some bloke from Snowy river.
Bob
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After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
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Bob Pacey
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On current trends you were eighteen for about 10 years 
Still looking good though. Love a country girl.
Bob
Still looking good though. Love a country girl.
Bob
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After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
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Maureen K Clifford
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The 'naive' Heather
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David Campbell
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Re: Benchmark
Vernon says that your kind words have warmed the cockles of his heart, and, if any of you are in the vicinity of the Victoria Market on a weekend, please drop by his stall and he'll be happy to sign a copy of the poem for $2 a pop (initials only...VIP) or $3 if you want the full flourish with courtly bow and handshake.
Cheers
David
Cheers
David
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Stephen Whiteside
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I stopped by the Australian Poetry website today, and they made reference (prominently) to "Banjo Patterson". Did they mean "Banjo Paterson"? Or were they referring to Vernon? It's all very confusing...
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Heather
Re: Benchmark
I just managed to score the double boxed complete works of Banjo Paterson - free! Just happened to be in the right place at the right time....
You been plundering my image again Bob? It wasn't that long ago but it was a lifetime ago.
You been plundering my image again Bob? It wasn't that long ago but it was a lifetime ago.