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Re: Cattle grazing in the Alps

Post by manfredvijars » Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:44 pm

OI!!! I take umbridge to the blatent discrimination in your post Marty!!

I happen to be a low fat soy latte sipping Armani shoe wearing Porsche Cheyenne driver, and I'll have you know that I would NEVER be seen driving MY Porche in the so called 'high' country! ... there are far too many common old Toyotas, Nissans and Mitsubishis there (with smelly drivers, complaining wives and screaming kids in them). Besides those crude tracks would shake up my 'chardie' and create bubbles. The bubbles would get up my nose and I would sneeze (maybe even spill my drinkies) - not a pleasant experience at all.

PS. why don't we give it back to the Black-fellas to manage? they did ok before we came along ... :)
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Re: Cattle grazing in the Alps

Post by Stephen Whiteside » Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:32 pm

I can't see much point in launching into an attack on the Greens. Sure, they're not perfect, but who is? The world was going down the tubes before the green movement kicked in in the 60s. Greenpeace has done a lot of good, especially for the whales. Bob Brown and the Tasmanian Wilderness Society did a great job saving the Franklin. It's just a shame that Lake Pedder went under. A lot of people still reckon it can be drained and rehabilitated one day, and I hope they're right.

I attended the Franklin Blockade. I was shocked how many people there seemed to know nothing about bush survival. I don't regard myself as any sort of expert, but I knew enough not to take drinking water from the river downstream of the camp-site! So, yes, there are a lot of city folk in the green movement who don't have much practical knowledge about the bush. But there are a hell of a lot of ignorant bush dwellers, too, who can't see past the end of their own noses, and are motivated purely by self interest.

Maybe we should bring gold mining back into the high country, too. After all, if it's good for the goose. What about a spot of hydraulic sluicing? I spoke to an old mining surveyor many years ago. He memorably said to me 'there's nowhere that the cattlemen went on a horse that I haven't been on foot'. In other words, they are legends in their own lunch boxes. Many of them became very wealthy by virtue of access to extensive rich grazing lands at virtually no cost.

I wouldn't get too excited about a majority on this forum supporting the cattlemen. After all, if they can't get a majority on the bush poets' web-site, where will they get it?

The gulf between rural and urban Australia is very wide. Probably there is no issue that better illustrates this than this issue. There's a lot of heat on both sides, and not much light. It's like we're talking different languages.

Looks like it's going to have to be pistols at dawn.
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Re: Cattle grazing in the Alps

Post by manfredvijars » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:01 pm

... nahh,Marty, I'm probably one of your fair dinkum wankers.
Believe it or not, I'm feeling the love ... :)

Yes Stephen, I also lament Lake Pedder :(
... actually found a bit of 'colour' on the Eucumbene near Kiandra a few years ago - and a couple of other spots that are 'protected' - may even go back there again one day
(on the quiet) ... :)

We are passionate about our Country ... :D
(as it should be)

I too love the 'High Country' ... here's a couple of views of Cope Hut Victoria ...
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Re: Cattle grazing in the Alps

Post by william williams » Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:52 pm

Thank you Manfred for those pictures they reminded me so much of my youth in the past between 50 and 60 years ago at my uncles place in the high country at WOODS POINT, And yes Stephen, Mining did damage a lot of country and still does, but your wife like her golden rings along with your cuff links and watch, would you do without your motorized machinery to get you where you wish to go, or your fine bloody cloths made by modern technology. Your warm or cool cosy house your books of learning for both you and your children to increase the brain power that you undoubtedly have. These thing come at a price now days, some people can aford them. But those of us who have weathered those times in a different era so that others may reap the future benifits of our labour. Future generations are now very greedy in their demands. The recent drought only highlites the way that afluent people react to minor privations the common say is from them st***f you jack I'm all right. All I ask as do many others is that people and that includes all of us and that means you to mate. Take and think
think long and hard about what is being spruked to you by the so called interlectuals. The past has proved it self over and over again but !has the modern ways.

Good luck to you both and keep writing shes good

Bill Williams the old battler
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Re: Cattle grazing in the Alps

Post by manfredvijars » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:52 pm

Goodonya Bill ... used to prospect and hunt deer around Woods Point, Abberfeldy, Matlock Stiglitz years ago ... love that country ...

It's all too easy to lump folks into a 'group' (and grossly unfair). Everyone of us is a thinking individual and we make our own minds up. What spurs our passion is Love for our Country - as far as I can see, everyone in this group does exactly that!

We're all Mates here, and as Mates we can argue and dissagree with eachother's point of views.
Shoot the message (if we must) but let's not shoot our Mates.

Teddy-bears and Rainbows ...

Manfred.

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Re: Cattle grazing in the Alps

Post by keats » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:14 am

Use the Alpine regions and high country for what they were meant for!!! Chop down the trees and build more Aldi Supermarkets. Get rid of any cows seen in the area by eating them, as is their purpose in life. I live by the environmental rule of 'If it moves, kill it, if it don't then chop it down'. Well everybody is entitled to their opinion! You were indeed brave Stephen to raise this subject, but that's what poets do. I fully understand both sides of the argument and that is why I am starting my new political party, the Right Wing Labor Conservation Party. Hope to see you all at the meeting. Just gotta build a hall. Now where is my chainsaw. Ooohhhh an unused rain forest!

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Re: Cattle grazing in the Alps

Post by manfredvijars » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:56 am

OI!!! ... Shoot that Bastard .... :twisted:

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Re: Cattle grazing in the Alps

Post by william williams » Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:22 am

MANFRED! don'twaste a bullet let him drown in his own bile

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Re: Cattle grazing in the Alps

Post by Zondrae » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:18 am

G'day Folks,

Far be it from me to rush to Neils defence but I believe he was joking.. You remember - the old 'tongue in cheek'? I can't believe any poet would advocate chopping down rain forest.
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Re: Cattle grazing in the Alps

Post by william williams » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:48 am

thank Manfred perhaps you'd remember Grandma Charles and her goat herd she owned the original woodspoint gold mine untill it flooded killing a number of people well before I was born and her sons the charles brothers and her daughter marie they had had the timber mill cutting Alpine Ash and Mountain Ash no such thing as clear felling only very very strict selected felling logging so you would know how beautiful that country was until greedy city people came and distroyed that serenity

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