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There's one thing I have pointed out before and I stubbornly do so again. Please note in the spirit of friendly banter, but it is important.
If we are going to draw attention to a definition that says something like bush poetry is metred and rhymed, please note one thing..metred and rhymed, METRED and rhymed,metred and rhymed.
If we are going to insist in sticking to the preferred form, fair enough, but it just doesn't do, to carefully fit in rhyming words, then be perfunctory about how we construct the metre.
If bush poets must rhyme to play the game...so be it.
But if careful metric construction is dismissed by claiming that one is just a free spirit not constrained by technical jargon, that working to metric form is just an impediment to jolly rhymes. Then we are not playing the game.
Are we ? We are not....are we???
If we are going to draw attention to a definition that says something like bush poetry is metred and rhymed, please note one thing..metred and rhymed, METRED and rhymed,metred and rhymed.
If we are going to insist in sticking to the preferred form, fair enough, but it just doesn't do, to carefully fit in rhyming words, then be perfunctory about how we construct the metre.
If bush poets must rhyme to play the game...so be it.
But if careful metric construction is dismissed by claiming that one is just a free spirit not constrained by technical jargon, that working to metric form is just an impediment to jolly rhymes. Then we are not playing the game.
Are we ? We are not....are we???
Neville
" Prose is description, poetry is presence " Les Murray.
" Prose is description, poetry is presence " Les Murray.
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We might not always get it right Nev but we try and in most cases behind all the banter we are trying to improve our poetry.
Are you saying that because we don't get the metre or rhyme right that we should not post at all ??????
It is a learning curve and some grasp it faster then most but when it ceases to be fun I for one will stop doing it.
Bob
Are you saying that because we don't get the metre or rhyme right that we should not post at all ??????
It is a learning curve and some grasp it faster then most but when it ceases to be fun I for one will stop doing it.
Bob
The purpose in life is to have fun.
After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
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No Bob, I am saying that if we want to stick to a preferred form, metred and rhyme, that we should give as much attention to good practice in metre as much as we give to rhyming schemes. Our verse should scan.
It takes a lot of practice, lots of mistakes ,( I've made plenty
) and willingness to learn. And very importantly; time spent reading widely in well established poets' work.
I don't nag like this to be spiteful but because I believe that what I am saying is an encouragement to better practice of what Manfred calls ' our craft ".
I am not sure what you mean by bush poetry ceasing to be fun. Do the football players stay away from training days, ignore the coaches directions, take no notice of the position of other team players, drink copious amounts of booze just before a game , because they don't want to stifle the fun of being a footy player ?
Do our Olympic athletes think that the grind of discipline is all worth the effort when they have the pleasure of receiving the gold medal ?
I'm not talking about poetry contests, I mean our gold medal is a work of poetry worthy of the name. It is enormous pleasure, if you can do it ?? I'm still hoping and trying
It takes a lot of practice, lots of mistakes ,( I've made plenty

I don't nag like this to be spiteful but because I believe that what I am saying is an encouragement to better practice of what Manfred calls ' our craft ".
I am not sure what you mean by bush poetry ceasing to be fun. Do the football players stay away from training days, ignore the coaches directions, take no notice of the position of other team players, drink copious amounts of booze just before a game , because they don't want to stifle the fun of being a footy player ?
Do our Olympic athletes think that the grind of discipline is all worth the effort when they have the pleasure of receiving the gold medal ?
I'm not talking about poetry contests, I mean our gold medal is a work of poetry worthy of the name. It is enormous pleasure, if you can do it ?? I'm still hoping and trying

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Neville
" Prose is description, poetry is presence " Les Murray.
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Sorry Mate, your metre's out and it doesn't rhyme ...Neville Briggs wrote:If we are going to draw attention to a definition that says something like bush poetry is metred and rhymed, please note one thing..metred and rhymed, METRED and rhymed,metred and rhymed.
Are we ? We are not....are we???

(the underscore and colour add a nice effect though ... )
IS THAT PIECE - "FREE"-VERSE??????
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You'll get a free kick Manfred



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Martyboy your analogy of playing footy in the bush works but so does Neville’s.
If your out for a bit of fun on the footy field or at writing poetry you can have fun with then the rules can by relaxed a bit.
If you are playing football at the elite level or writing gold medal poetry then the rules will surely apply.
As for the banter be it light-hearted or deep and meaningful try and keep the blood pressure down a bit afore ya all burst a blood vessel.
TTFN
If your out for a bit of fun on the footy field or at writing poetry you can have fun with then the rules can by relaxed a bit.
If you are playing football at the elite level or writing gold medal poetry then the rules will surely apply.
As for the banter be it light-hearted or deep and meaningful try and keep the blood pressure down a bit afore ya all burst a blood vessel.
TTFN

I Keep Trying
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Yair Marty I like what you write, some time humour and some time touching like your double tap piece. I also like Neville’s posts they always make me think and often run and get the dictionary,
in fact I like this whole site, with the good poems the bad poems the fun and the gibberish I think I have said before it’s better than TV.
As for the AIMS I believe they are, to foster good rhyme and good metre in our bush poetry along with lots of camaraderie and good-natured banter.
TTFN Mr
WOW did I say all that???
Geez get over yaself.
in fact I like this whole site, with the good poems the bad poems the fun and the gibberish I think I have said before it’s better than TV.
As for the AIMS I believe they are, to foster good rhyme and good metre in our bush poetry along with lots of camaraderie and good-natured banter.
TTFN Mr

WOW did I say all that???
Geez get over yaself.
I Keep Trying
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I didn't say anything about nirvana or even mention other types of poetry , that's the old tried and true method where the apprentice watches the master at work , in order to learn the trade.Neville Briggs wrote:importantly; time spent reading widely in well established poets' work.
Neville
" Prose is description, poetry is presence " Les Murray.
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the makings of a coach, mate . . . how many squillions of words are wasted every week by professional coaches and assistants saying what you've said in a coupla dozenMartyboy wrote: get the ball and kick it ot one of our blokes was enough unless close to goal then have a crack at a goal
Marty
