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CJ Dennis

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:19 am
by Irene
To all you CJ Dennis fans
In the past, I have never been a fan of him - I never recall my dad reciting any of his works, and on the occasions I have tried to read his work, I just found it too hard with all the dropped letters.
But, I have been converted!!!!

Yesterday, I had the immense pleasure of listening to Geoffrey Graham recited 'Surrey Bears" and what a wonderful job he did of it, and what a beautiful poem!! Also had another poet recite 'The Old Master' - which also was wonderful.
I have decided I now need to go back and persevere with reading his work, and discover the gems that you all talk about!!
Mind you, Will Ogilvie will always be my favourite!! :lol:

Catchya
IRene

Re: CJ Dennis

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:01 am
by Heather
Irene, I haven't read a lot of CJ but when I was a kid I loved listening to The Sentimental Bloke and "Doreen" on a record my mother had. When I was at Toolangi a couple of weeks ago I heard Bob Markham (I hope I have the name right) recite a really, really long piece from the Glugs of Gosh and he did a brilliant job. More recently at Crookwell Allan Stone did a poem - I don't know the name but it had "taters" it in it and was an incredible tongue twister. Allan did an amazing (perfect) job of it and it was funny and very very clever. Maybe you need to hear the right person reciting CJ to "get it".

Heather :)

Re: CJ Dennis

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:33 pm
by Neville Briggs
Good on you Irene.

I had not been very receptive to C.J.Dennis until I got a copy of his Book for Kids. I discovered he was not only a creative and witty poet but also a talented artist.
I don't like all of his stuff, but I don't think we necessarily have to like everything as long as we have some appreciation of its content. I sort of agree with Marty ( heaven help me :lol: ) that some of C.J. Dennis's work stays attached to the past.

Irene, I would say that you have not been converted, more likely you have had your eyes and ears opened to a wider view of poetry. Amazing what we can see when we move out of a narrow one dimensional view of art.

As I always preach, we need to read widely, don't have to like everything, don't have to adopt everything, but the more we read, the more we can be discerning of the rich palette that we have available for painting our word pictures. ( to pinch Manfred's metaphor )

I found it very interesting that in a recent contemporary anthology , the editor, himself a modernist poet , has included C.J. Dennis's poem The Play.


Good to hear from you Irene.

Expect to see some interesting work now. ;) :)

Re: CJ Dennis

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:38 am
by Irene
Marty, it's definitely in the reciting!! Obviously need someone who can recite it well.
I also have a re-print of 'The Sentimental Bloke & Other Verses", and have never been able to read it!!
But thoroughly enjoyed Geoffrey's rendition of Sari Bair (got the spelling right this time - googled it on the net!! ;) )

I don't think I will ever be wanting to read his works - find it just too hard. Having said that, I chased up the other poem that was recited yesterday - An Old Master - and found it wasn't difficult to read at all. Obviously you have to pick the right poems!! Have a look at these. Sari Bair is difficult to read if you don't like the dropped letters/slang, but it is a whole different poem when recited well!! I was talking to a lady yesterday who said she could never read his poetry until she started by adding back in the dropped letters, and correcting the words. Then, as she understood the story, she started dropping them again, and she was able to read them. Depends if you like his poems enough to do that!!

AN OLD MASTER

We were cartin' lathes and palin's from the slopes of Mount St. Leonard,
With our axles near the road-bed and the mud as stiff as glue;
And our bullocks weren't precisely what you'd call conditioned nicely,
And meself and Messmate Mitchell had our doubts of gettin' through.

It had rained a tidy skyful in the week before we started,
But our tucker-bag depended on the sellin' of our load;
So we punched 'em on by inches, liftin' 'em across the pinches,
Till we struck the final section of the worst part of the road.

We were just congratulatin' one another on the journey,
When we blundered in a pot-hole right within the sight of goal,
Where the bush-track joins the metal. Mitchell, as he saw her settle,
Justified his reputation at the peril of his soul.

We were in a glue-pot, certain —- red and stiff and most tenacious;
Over naves and over axles —- waggon sittin' on the road.
"'Struth," says I, "they'll never lift her. Take a shot from Hell to shift her.
Nothin' left us but unyoke 'em and sling off the blessed load."

Now, beside our scene of trouble stood a little one-roomed humpy,
Home of an enfeebled party by the name of Dad McGee.
William was, I pause to mention, livin' on an old-age pension
Since he gave up bullock-punchin' at the age of eighty-three.

Startled by our exclamations, Daddy hobbled from the shanty,
Hobbled out and over to us on his old rheumatic pins,
Shadin' his old eyes and peerin' here and there around the clearin',
While we watched his consternation with half-sympathetic grins.

"Eh! Wot's happened now?" he quavered, in a weak and shaky treble,
Gazin' where the stranded waggon looked like some half-foundered ship.
Then the state o' things he spotted, "Looks," he says, "like you was potted,"
And he toddled up to Mitchell. "Here," said he, "gimme that whip."

Mitchell, bein' out o' patience, flung a glance of anger at him,
Followed by some fancy language of his very choicest brand.
Then old daddy seemed to straighten. "Now," he yelled, "don't keep me waitin'!
Pass that whip, you blarsted blue-tongue!" Mitchell put it in his hand.

Well! I've heard of transformations; heard of fellers sort of changin'
In the face of sudden danger or some great emergency;
Heard the like in song and story and in bush traditions hoary,
But I nearly dropped me bundle as I looked at Dad McGee.

While we gazed he seemed to toughen; as his fingers gripped the handle
His old form grew straight and supple, and a light leaped in his eye;
And he stepped around the waggon, not with footsteps weak and laggin',
But with firm, determined carriage, as he flung the whip on high.

Now he swung the leaders over, while the whip-lash snarled and volleyed;
And they answered like one bullock, strainin' to each crack and clout;
But he kept his cursin' under, till old Brindle made a blunder;
Then I thought all Hell had hit me, and the master opened out.

And the language! Oh, the language! I have known some noble cursers --
"Hell-fire" Mac and "Cursin': Brogan -- men of boundless blasphemee,
Full of fancy exclamations, trimmed with frills and declarations;
But their talk was childish prattle to that language of McGee.

In a trance stood messmate Mitchell; seemed to me I must be dreamin';
While the wondrous words and phrases only genius could loose
Roared and rumbled fast and faster in the throat of that Old Master —-
Oaths and curses tipped with lightning, cracklin' flames of fierce abuse.

Then we knew the man before us was a Master of our callin';
One of those great lords of language gone for ever from Outback;
Heroes of an ancient order; men who punched across the border;
Vanished giants of the 'sixties; puncher-princes of the track.

Now we heard the timbers strainin', heard the waggon's loud complainin',
And the master cried triumphant, as he swung 'em into line,
As they put their toes into it, lifted her, and pulled her through it:
"That's the way we useter do it in the days o' sixty-nine!"

Near the foot of Mount St. Leonard lives an old, enfeebled party
Who retired from bullock-punchin' at the age of eighty-three.
If you seek him folk will mention, merely, that he draws the pension;
But to us he looms a Master -- Prince of Punchers, Dad McGee!

"C.J. Dennis"
The Bulletin, 4 August 1910, p13

V. SARI BAIR
So, they've struck their streak o' trouble, an' they got it in the neck,
An' there's more than one ole pal o' mine 'as 'anded in 'is check;
But Ginger still takes nourishment; 'e's well, but breathin' 'ard.
An' so 'e sends the strength uv it scrawled on a chunk uv card.


"On the day we 'it the transport there wus cheerin' on the pier,
An' the girls wus wavin' hankies as they dropped a partin' tear,
An' we felt like little 'eroes as we watched the crowd recede,
Fer we sailed to prove Australia, an' our boastin' uv the breed.


"There wus Trent, ex~toff, uv England; there wus Green, ex-pug, uv 'Loo;
There wus me, an' Craig uv Queensland, wiv 'is 'ulkin' six-foot-two:
An' little Smith uv Collin'wood, 'oo 'owled a rag-time air.
On the day we left the Leeuwin, bound nor'-west for Gawd-knows-where.


"On the day we come to Cairo wiv its niggers an' its din,
To fill our eyes wiv desert sand, our souls wiv Eastern sin,
There wus cursin' an' complainin'; we wus 'ungerin' fer fight -
Little imertation soljers full uv vanity an' skite.


"Then they worked us - Gawd! they worked us, till we knoo wot drillin' meant;
Till men begun to feel like men, an' wasters to repent,
Till we grew to 'ate all Egyp', an' its desert, an' its stinks:
On the days we drilled at Mena in the shadder uv the Sphinx.


"Then Green uv Sydney swore an oath they meant to 'old us tight,
A crowd uv flarnin' ornaments wivout a chance to fight;
But little Smith uv Collin'wood, he whistled 'im a toon,
An' sez, 'Aw, take a pull. lad, there'll be whips o' stoushin' soom.'


"Then the waitin', weary waitin', while we itched to meet the foe!
But we'd done wiv fancy skitin' an' the comic op'ra show.
We wus soljers - finished soljers, an' we felt it in our veins
On the day we trod the desert on ole Egyp's sandy plains.


"An' Trent 'e said it wus a bore, an' all uv us wus blue,
An' Craig, the giant, never joked the way 'e used to do.
But little Smith uv Collin'wood 'e 'ummed a little song,
An' said, 'You leave it to the 'eads. O now we sha'n't be long!'


"Then Sari Bair, O Sari Bair, 'twus you wot seen it done,
The day the transports rode yer bay beneath a smilin' sun.
We boasted much, an' toasted much; but where yer tide line creeps,
'Twus you, me dainty Sari Bair, that seen us play fer keeps.


"We wus full uv savage skitin' while they kep' us on the shelf -
(Now I tell yeh, square an' 'onest, I wus doubtin' us meself);
But we proved it, good an' plenty, that our lads can do an' dare,
On the day we walloped Abdul o'er the sands o' Sari Bair.


"Luck wus out wiv Green uv Sydney, where 'e stood at my right 'and,
Fer they plunked 'im on the transport 'fore 'e got a chance to land.
Then I saw 'em kill a feller wot I knoo in Camberwell,
Somethin' sort o' went inside me - an' the rest wus bloody 'ell.


"Thro' the smoke I seen 'im strivin', Craig uv Queensland, tall an' strong,
Like an 'arvester at 'ay-time singin', swingin' to the song.
An' little Smith uv Collin'wood, 'e 'owled a fightin' tune,
On the day we chased Mahomet over Sari's sandy dune.


"An' Sari Bair, O Sari Bair, you seen 'ow it wus done,
The transports dancin' in yer bay beneath the bonzer sun;
An' speckled o'er yer gleamin' shore the little 'uddled 'eaps
That showed at last the Southern breed could play the game fer keeps.


"We found 'im, Craig uv Queensland, stark, 'is 'and still on 'is gun.
We found too many more besides, when that fierce scrap wus done.
An' little Smith uv Collin'wood, he crooned a mournful air,
The night we planted 'em beneath the sands uv Sari Bair.


"On the day we took the transport there wus cheerin' on the pier,
An' we wus little chiner gawds; an' now we're sittin' 'ere,
Wiv the taste uv blood an' battle on the lips uv ev'ry man
An' ev'ry man jist 'opin' fer to end as we began.


"Fer Green is gone, an' Craig is gone, an' Gawd! 'ow many more!
Who sleep the sleep at Sari Bair beside that sunny shore!
An' little Smith uv Collin'wood, a bandage 'round 'is 'ead,
He 'ums a savage song an' vows quick vengeance fer the dead.


"But Sari Bair, me Sari Bair, the secrets that you 'old
Will shake the 'earts uv Southern men when all the tale is told;
An' when they git the strength uv it, there'll never be the need
To call too loud fer fightin' men among the Southern breed."
This poem was originally published in The Bulletin, 20 May 1915, p6.

Neville
I don't think I could ever be bothered to write in his style!! I'm a bit of a stickler for proper words (well, most of the time!! ;) :lol:
I would like to get hold of a copy of his kids book - just to check it out!! Must do an internet search!!

Irene

Re: CJ Dennis

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:55 am
by manfredvijars
I must confess to enduring the 'cringe' factor and finding "CJ's" works to be an acquired taste.
However, when I was on the road a few years back, I bought a set of ABC cassettes, "The Moods of Ginger Mick" read by Ron Haddrick. I believe they're available it's CD form from the ABC.

I thoroughly recommend it. I wouldn't read the stuff, but Haddrick presents it well. It was enjoyable to me.

Jack Drake does a version of "An Old Master" on his latest classical CD ... also very well done!

Re: CJ Dennis

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:42 am
by Neville Briggs
I have been thinking Irene about your comment " it's all in the reciting "

I think that this is a crucial point in a way that perhaps we might miss if we assume that the value of reciting only applies when we hear someone else recite to us.
That is, when we read poetry we should, as Stephen Fry strongly insists, read it out aloud to ourselves.
I think this makes a lot of difference to our appreciation of a poem. Glancing down the page , skimming or quickly doing a take on the general thrust of the written words just isn't enough, I am convinced.
And as Stephen Fry also insists, we can read a poem too fast, but never too slowly.

So I heartily agree with your conclusion, it is all in the reciting, and that applies to our own private engagement with any poem.

Sorry folks, speed reading won't do the job.

Re: CJ Dennis

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:35 pm
by Zondrae
To add my two bobs worth,

The style of 'Ausglish' or 'Strine' if you prefer, is not the only style in which CJ wrote. Anyone read 'Jim Of The Hills'?

Also one of his most applauded works 'The Glugs of Gosh' is not written in strine.

I have not, as yet, read much of his 'straight' poetry but I will one day. In the mean time I pick up his works whenever I see them at fetes, markets or garage sales.

Re: CJ Dennis

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:15 am
by vwalla
Irene and Heather
I (like you) did not appreciate CJ's Writings until our member of the Hunter Bush Poets , Bob Markwell , joined up and each month gives us his excellent rendition of one or two of Dennis' poems . I especially like THE PLAY and one about his baby son (the name eludes me)
For this I thank him very much as I still do not like to read these poems.
Val W

Re: CJ Dennis

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:10 am
by Irene
Yes I believe it is an acquired taste Manfred. While I probably will never go mad over his work (just too hard to read!!) I have taken another look at it, and am finding the essence of his work is great!! I am certainly looking forward to hearing more of it.

Neville, you are right! (again!!) Since hearing Geoffrey Graham recite Sari Bair, I find it much easier to read it now, and actually enjoy it. When you read it out aloud, (and once you have your head around it!!) the dropped letters are not so noticeable - tho' I find it easier to say some of the words without dropping the letters!!
And, yes I guess we should really read all our poems aloud to allow ourselves to immerse ourselves in them properly, and get a good feel for them.

Zondrae - I don't think I am up to Glugs of Glosh right now!!! :lol: But I am going to hunt out Jim of the Hills now to check it out!!
Did you read the poem in my post "An Old Master"? That isn't written in extreme strine.

Hi Val - I very much enjoyed listening to his poems recited, and it has certainly changed my opinion of his work. I am looking forward to hearing more.

Re: CJ Dennis

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:51 am
by Zondrae
G'day Irene,

I confess I have not read the poem yet but I will today. I have contacted Jim Brown and will be sending in my application to join the CJ society.
Boy, 1/12 already. Christmas looms. I have bought one gift. It's a start.
I think Ric has finally pulled the plug on the 'other' site. I have not been able to get in since early in the week.