
Direct speech in verse.
- Maureen K Clifford
- Posts: 8153
- Joined: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:31 am
- Location: Ipswich - Paul Pisasale country and home of the Ipswich Poetry Feast
- Contact:
Re: Direct speech in verse.
I like ellipses... but sometimes three are not enough...........sometimes you need to draw a bigger breath or ponder for more than...who decided three was enough? Maybe there should be multiple ................................. just because there can be. They could be ellipseses
Do you lose points in poetry comps for using more than 3??? How about question marks???? Sometimes one is not enough there either.

Check out The Scribbly Bark Poets blog site here -
http://scribblybarkpoetry.blogspot.com.au/
I may not always succeed in making a difference, but I will go to my grave knowing I at least tried.
http://scribblybarkpoetry.blogspot.com.au/
I may not always succeed in making a difference, but I will go to my grave knowing I at least tried.
-
- Posts: 1041
- Joined: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:21 am
Re: Direct speech in verse.
Thank you Neville, Treddinick seems to agree with my understanding of writing direct speech.
Of course we are all free to do as we please regarding punctuation, spelling and setting out our writing however, it is what the reader sees, accepts and understands that matters. Although my grasp of all these subject is at best rudimentary, I do try to adhere to the old accepted rules without being too
pedantic.
I was taught that you are judged by your written work and it is a good idea to remember that you wont be there to offer an explanation or an excuse for your errors or your perceived errors.
Zondrae I remember all too well how I used to sprinkle my poems with large amounts of commas until I realised that I was using the comma to try and accentuate the metre.
At the moment I find that I am using far too many brackets when a two commas would serve the same purpose and I am a great fan of the very unfashionable exclamation mark
Of course we are all free to do as we please regarding punctuation, spelling and setting out our writing however, it is what the reader sees, accepts and understands that matters. Although my grasp of all these subject is at best rudimentary, I do try to adhere to the old accepted rules without being too
pedantic.
I was taught that you are judged by your written work and it is a good idea to remember that you wont be there to offer an explanation or an excuse for your errors or your perceived errors.
Zondrae I remember all too well how I used to sprinkle my poems with large amounts of commas until I realised that I was using the comma to try and accentuate the metre.
At the moment I find that I am using far too many brackets when a two commas would serve the same purpose and I am a great fan of the very unfashionable exclamation mark
-
- Posts: 1041
- Joined: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:21 am
Re: Direct speech in verse.
Maureen does three ??? mean you are asking the same question three times?
I have to admit to being prone to use multiple exclamation marks but understand the use of even one is thought best avoided.
As an ellipsis is a set of three dots which indicate an omission, not a pause, the use of any more than three is not needed. The first three do the job and any more are superfluous.
Hyphens actually have a serious role to play in grammar by joining two or more words to show they should be read as one word with its own meaning.
I have to admit to being prone to use multiple exclamation marks but understand the use of even one is thought best avoided.
As an ellipsis is a set of three dots which indicate an omission, not a pause, the use of any more than three is not needed. The first three do the job and any more are superfluous.
Hyphens actually have a serious role to play in grammar by joining two or more words to show they should be read as one word with its own meaning.
- Zondrae
- Moderator
- Posts: 2292
- Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:04 am
- Location: Illawarra
Re: Direct speech in verse.
Thanks Vic,
We often are a bit flippent when discussing punctuation.
!
You have given a precise and clear explanation.
Now I would like you to de-mystify the semi colon and the colon for me, please.
We often are a bit flippent when discussing punctuation.

You have given a precise and clear explanation.
Now I would like you to de-mystify the semi colon and the colon for me, please.

Zondrae King
a woman of words
a woman of words
-
- Posts: 6946
- Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:08 pm
- Location: Here
Re: Direct speech in verse.
Zondrae....from Mark Treddinick, the little green grammar book, UNSW Press, 2009
" A colon breaks a sentence to say, here comes an explanation. The sentence does not end until the explanation ends."
" The semicolon - poised, as its form should suggest, between the comma and the full stop; tougher than the first, gentler than the second- separates independent clauses of more or less the same weight ( and structure ) and makes of them a single sentence. "
Get it, got it, Good.

" A colon breaks a sentence to say, here comes an explanation. The sentence does not end until the explanation ends."
" The semicolon - poised, as its form should suggest, between the comma and the full stop; tougher than the first, gentler than the second- separates independent clauses of more or less the same weight ( and structure ) and makes of them a single sentence. "
Get it, got it, Good.


Neville
" Prose is description, poetry is presence " Les Murray.
" Prose is description, poetry is presence " Les Murray.
Re: Direct speech in verse.
Thanks you lot.......now I have a lot more words I have to google to find out what they mean.... 

- Stephen Whiteside
- Posts: 3784
- Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:07 pm
- Contact:
Re: Direct speech in verse.
Neville, don't forget the ascending colon, the transverse colon, the descending colon and, best of them all, the sigmoid colon! Then, when you get sick of them all, there's always the colonic wash-out...
P.S. And don't confuse the sigmoid colon with sigmoid Froid!
P.S. And don't confuse the sigmoid colon with sigmoid Froid!
Stephen Whiteside, Australian Poet and Writer
http://www.stephenwhiteside.com.au
http://www.stephenwhiteside.com.au
-
- Posts: 6946
- Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:08 pm
- Location: Here
Re: Direct speech in verse.
Stephen Whiteside, Professor of Scatology.



Neville
" Prose is description, poetry is presence " Les Murray.
" Prose is description, poetry is presence " Les Murray.
- Stephen Whiteside
- Posts: 3784
- Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:07 pm
- Contact:
Re: Direct speech in verse.
You could always settle for a semi-colonoscopy, Manfred. It only costs half as much.
Stephen Whiteside, Australian Poet and Writer
http://www.stephenwhiteside.com.au
http://www.stephenwhiteside.com.au