COLLABORATIVE POEM 19 - JACK THE SHREDDER
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Re: COLLABORATIVE POEM 19 - JACK THE SHREDDER
Now you've heard some funny stories
about serial killers through the ages.
Ones that make ya blood run cold
and made a mark in histories pages.
Bob
But this bloke tore his victims up
like he was grating cheddar,
he'd leave behind a minced up mess -
his name was Jack the Shredder.
JP
A shy and quiet bloke was Jack
some thought he was a twit.
But he turned into a demon
when someone called out "Shred it" !
Bob
He’d race around the office floor
gathering paper left and right
then he’d commandeer the shredder
screaming at it ‘Shred it right’
mkc
An incident occurred one night
while normal people slept,
it had the crack detectives stumped
as 'round the scene they crept.
Wen
For Jack had not come home
to his elegant skyscraper
and when they checked the office
they found bloodied shredded paper.
Bob
They checked the office kitchen
and found glad - wrapped in the freezer
suspicious frozen packages
all labelled 'Jack the geezer'
mkc
A crime scene was established and
they searched around for prints.
It seemed that Jack the Shredder
somehow turned himself to mince.
Just how he turned out packaged up
and frozen had them guessing -
the thoughts of mince in motion were
a little bit distressing.
JP
Another clue then came to light
explaining all within
a chick called Fanny (File It)
had emptied out the bin
She noticed Jack all minced and torn,
'twas more than she could bear
and so she packaged old Jack up
shrink wrapped, labelled with care .
mkc
about serial killers through the ages.
Ones that make ya blood run cold
and made a mark in histories pages.
Bob
But this bloke tore his victims up
like he was grating cheddar,
he'd leave behind a minced up mess -
his name was Jack the Shredder.
JP
A shy and quiet bloke was Jack
some thought he was a twit.
But he turned into a demon
when someone called out "Shred it" !
Bob
He’d race around the office floor
gathering paper left and right
then he’d commandeer the shredder
screaming at it ‘Shred it right’
mkc
An incident occurred one night
while normal people slept,
it had the crack detectives stumped
as 'round the scene they crept.
Wen
For Jack had not come home
to his elegant skyscraper
and when they checked the office
they found bloodied shredded paper.
Bob
They checked the office kitchen
and found glad - wrapped in the freezer
suspicious frozen packages
all labelled 'Jack the geezer'
mkc
A crime scene was established and
they searched around for prints.
It seemed that Jack the Shredder
somehow turned himself to mince.
Just how he turned out packaged up
and frozen had them guessing -
the thoughts of mince in motion were
a little bit distressing.
JP
Another clue then came to light
explaining all within
a chick called Fanny (File It)
had emptied out the bin
She noticed Jack all minced and torn,
'twas more than she could bear
and so she packaged old Jack up
shrink wrapped, labelled with care .
mkc
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Re: COLLABORATIVE POEM 19 - JACK THE SHREDDER
Now you've heard some funny stories
about serial killers through the ages.
Ones that make ya blood run cold
and made a mark in histories pages.
Bob
But this bloke tore his victims up
like he was grating cheddar,
he'd leave behind a minced up mess -
his name was Jack the Shredder.
JP
A shy and quiet bloke was Jack
some thought he was a twit.
But he turned into a demon
when someone called out "Shred it" !
Bob
He’d race around the office floor
gathering paper left and right
then he’d commandeer the shredder
screaming at it ‘Shred it right’
mkc
An incident occurred one night
while normal people slept,
it had the crack detectives stumped
as 'round the scene they crept.
Wen
For Jack had not come home
to his elegant skyscraper
and when they checked the office
they found bloodied shredded paper.
Bob
They checked the office kitchen
and found glad - wrapped in the freezer
suspicious frozen packages
all labelled 'Jack the geezer'
mkc
A crime scene was established and
they searched around for prints.
It seemed that Jack the Shredder
somehow turned himself to mince.
Just how he turned out packaged up
and frozen had them guessing -
the thoughts of mince in motion were
a little bit distressing.
JP
Another clue then came to light
explaining all within
a chick called Fanny (File It)
had emptied out the bin
She noticed Jack all minced and torn,
'twas more than she could bear
and so she packaged old Jack up
shrink wrapped, labelled with care .
mkc
They tried to charge poor Fanny
as an accessory, after the fact.
but they were not aware that Fan
and Jack had sworn a pact.
Bob
about serial killers through the ages.
Ones that make ya blood run cold
and made a mark in histories pages.
Bob
But this bloke tore his victims up
like he was grating cheddar,
he'd leave behind a minced up mess -
his name was Jack the Shredder.
JP
A shy and quiet bloke was Jack
some thought he was a twit.
But he turned into a demon
when someone called out "Shred it" !
Bob
He’d race around the office floor
gathering paper left and right
then he’d commandeer the shredder
screaming at it ‘Shred it right’
mkc
An incident occurred one night
while normal people slept,
it had the crack detectives stumped
as 'round the scene they crept.
Wen
For Jack had not come home
to his elegant skyscraper
and when they checked the office
they found bloodied shredded paper.
Bob
They checked the office kitchen
and found glad - wrapped in the freezer
suspicious frozen packages
all labelled 'Jack the geezer'
mkc
A crime scene was established and
they searched around for prints.
It seemed that Jack the Shredder
somehow turned himself to mince.
Just how he turned out packaged up
and frozen had them guessing -
the thoughts of mince in motion were
a little bit distressing.
JP
Another clue then came to light
explaining all within
a chick called Fanny (File It)
had emptied out the bin
She noticed Jack all minced and torn,
'twas more than she could bear
and so she packaged old Jack up
shrink wrapped, labelled with care .
mkc
They tried to charge poor Fanny
as an accessory, after the fact.
but they were not aware that Fan
and Jack had sworn a pact.
Bob
The purpose in life is to have fun.
After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
Re: COLLABORATIVE POEM 19 - JACK THE SHREDDER
A pact of undying devious devotion
to outlast their final years.
Those that gathered 'round the freezer
shed some saddened, salted tears.
Jim.
to outlast their final years.
Those that gathered 'round the freezer
shed some saddened, salted tears.
Jim.
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Re: COLLABORATIVE POEM 19 - JACK THE SHREDDER
Now you've heard some funny stories
about serial killers through the ages.
Ones that make ya blood run cold
and made a mark in histories pages.
Bob
But this bloke tore his victims up
like he was grating cheddar,
he'd leave behind a minced up mess -
his name was Jack the Shredder.
JP
A shy and quiet bloke was Jack
some thought he was a twit.
But he turned into a demon
when someone called out "Shred it" !
Bob
He’d race around the office floor
gathering paper left and right
then he’d commandeer the shredder
screaming at it ‘Shred it right’
mkc
An incident occurred one night
while normal people slept,
it had the crack detectives stumped
as 'round the scene they crept.
Wen
For Jack had not come home
to his elegant skyscraper
and when they checked the office
they found bloodied shredded paper.
Bob
They checked the office kitchen
and found glad - wrapped in the freezer
suspicious frozen packages
all labelled 'Jack the geezer'
mkc
A crime scene was established and
they searched around for prints.
It seemed that Jack the Shredder
somehow turned himself to mince.
Just how he turned out packaged up
and frozen had them guessing -
the thoughts of mince in motion were
a little bit distressing.
JP
Another clue then came to light
explaining all within
a chick called Fanny (File It)
had emptied out the bin
She noticed Jack all minced and torn,
'twas more than she could bear
and so she packaged old Jack up
shrink wrapped, labelled with care .
mkc
They tried to charge poor Fanny
as an accessory, after the fact.
but they were not aware that Fan
and Jack had sworn and signed a pact.
Bob
A pact of undying devious devotion
to outlast their final years.
Those that gathered 'round the freezer
shed some saddened, salted tears.
Jim.
But Fanny had an older sister
I think Julia was her name.
She had opened up a bank account
insurance benefits to claim .
Bob
It is ok Jim I've fixed that for you.
about serial killers through the ages.
Ones that make ya blood run cold
and made a mark in histories pages.
Bob
But this bloke tore his victims up
like he was grating cheddar,
he'd leave behind a minced up mess -
his name was Jack the Shredder.
JP
A shy and quiet bloke was Jack
some thought he was a twit.
But he turned into a demon
when someone called out "Shred it" !
Bob
He’d race around the office floor
gathering paper left and right
then he’d commandeer the shredder
screaming at it ‘Shred it right’
mkc
An incident occurred one night
while normal people slept,
it had the crack detectives stumped
as 'round the scene they crept.
Wen
For Jack had not come home
to his elegant skyscraper
and when they checked the office
they found bloodied shredded paper.
Bob
They checked the office kitchen
and found glad - wrapped in the freezer
suspicious frozen packages
all labelled 'Jack the geezer'
mkc
A crime scene was established and
they searched around for prints.
It seemed that Jack the Shredder
somehow turned himself to mince.
Just how he turned out packaged up
and frozen had them guessing -
the thoughts of mince in motion were
a little bit distressing.
JP
Another clue then came to light
explaining all within
a chick called Fanny (File It)
had emptied out the bin
She noticed Jack all minced and torn,
'twas more than she could bear
and so she packaged old Jack up
shrink wrapped, labelled with care .
mkc
They tried to charge poor Fanny
as an accessory, after the fact.
but they were not aware that Fan
and Jack had sworn and signed a pact.
Bob
A pact of undying devious devotion
to outlast their final years.
Those that gathered 'round the freezer
shed some saddened, salted tears.
Jim.
But Fanny had an older sister
I think Julia was her name.
She had opened up a bank account
insurance benefits to claim .
Bob
It is ok Jim I've fixed that for you.
The purpose in life is to have fun.
After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
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Re: COLLABORATIVE POEM 19 - JACK THE SHREDDER
Opps Thanks John.
Old age
Bob
Old age
Bob
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The purpose in life is to have fun.
After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
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Re: COLLABORATIVE POEM 19 - JACK THE SHREDDER
G'day Bob
It looks like we have back-tracked a little here, I think you might have missed the contributions on the second page
Regards
John Peel
It looks like we have back-tracked a little here, I think you might have missed the contributions on the second page

Regards
John Peel
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Re: COLLABORATIVE POEM 19 - JACK THE SHREDDER
Now you've heard some funny stories
about serial killers through the ages.
Ones that make ya blood run cold
and made a mark in histories pages.
Bob
But this bloke tore his victims up
like he was grating cheddar,
he'd leave behind a minced up mess -
his name was Jack the Shredder.
JP
A shy and quiet bloke was Jack
some thought he was a twit.
But he turned into a demon
when someone called out "Shred it" !
Bob
He’d race around the office floor
gathering paper left and right
then he’d commandeer the shredder
screaming at it ‘Shred it right’
mkc
An incident occurred one night
while normal people slept,
it had the crack detectives stumped
as 'round the scene they crept.
Wen
For Jack had not come home
to his elegant skyscraper
and when they checked the office
they found bloodied shredded paper.
Bob
They checked the office kitchen
and found glad - wrapped in the freezer
suspicious frozen packages
all labelled 'Jack the geezer'
mkc
A crime scene was established and
they searched around for prints.
It seemed that Jack the Shredder
somehow turned himself to mince.
Just how he turned out packaged up
and frozen had them guessing -
the thoughts of mince in motion were
a little bit distressing.
JP
Another clue then came to light
explaining all within
a chick called Fanny (File It)
had emptied out the bin
She noticed Jack all minced and torn,
'twas more than she could bear
and so she packaged old Jack up
shrink wrapped, labelled with care .
mkc
They tried to charge poor Fanny
as an accessory, after the fact.
but they were not aware that Fan
and Jack had sworn and signed a pact.
Bob
A pact of undying devious devotion
to outlast their final years.
Those that gathered 'round the freezer
shed some saddened, salted tears.
Jim.
But Fanny had an older sister
I think Julia was her name.
She had opened up a bank account
insurance benefits to claim .
Bob
See Julia needed extra money
her dilema it was dire.
She had nothing in the coffers
and people said she was a liar !
Bp
about serial killers through the ages.
Ones that make ya blood run cold
and made a mark in histories pages.
Bob
But this bloke tore his victims up
like he was grating cheddar,
he'd leave behind a minced up mess -
his name was Jack the Shredder.
JP
A shy and quiet bloke was Jack
some thought he was a twit.
But he turned into a demon
when someone called out "Shred it" !
Bob
He’d race around the office floor
gathering paper left and right
then he’d commandeer the shredder
screaming at it ‘Shred it right’
mkc
An incident occurred one night
while normal people slept,
it had the crack detectives stumped
as 'round the scene they crept.
Wen
For Jack had not come home
to his elegant skyscraper
and when they checked the office
they found bloodied shredded paper.
Bob
They checked the office kitchen
and found glad - wrapped in the freezer
suspicious frozen packages
all labelled 'Jack the geezer'
mkc
A crime scene was established and
they searched around for prints.
It seemed that Jack the Shredder
somehow turned himself to mince.
Just how he turned out packaged up
and frozen had them guessing -
the thoughts of mince in motion were
a little bit distressing.
JP
Another clue then came to light
explaining all within
a chick called Fanny (File It)
had emptied out the bin
She noticed Jack all minced and torn,
'twas more than she could bear
and so she packaged old Jack up
shrink wrapped, labelled with care .
mkc
They tried to charge poor Fanny
as an accessory, after the fact.
but they were not aware that Fan
and Jack had sworn and signed a pact.
Bob
A pact of undying devious devotion
to outlast their final years.
Those that gathered 'round the freezer
shed some saddened, salted tears.
Jim.
But Fanny had an older sister
I think Julia was her name.
She had opened up a bank account
insurance benefits to claim .
Bob
See Julia needed extra money
her dilema it was dire.
She had nothing in the coffers
and people said she was a liar !
Bp
The purpose in life is to have fun.
After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
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Re: COLLABORATIVE POEM 19 - JACK THE SHREDDER
Now you've heard some funny stories
about serial killers through the ages.
Ones that make ya blood run cold
and made a mark in histories pages.
Bob
But this bloke tore his victims up
like he was grating cheddar,
he'd leave behind a minced up mess -
his name was Jack the Shredder.
JP
A shy and quiet bloke was Jack
some thought he was a twit.
But he turned into a demon
when someone called out "Shred it" !
Bob
He’d race around the office floor
gathering paper left and right
then he’d commandeer the shredder
screaming at it ‘Shred it right’
mkc
An incident occurred one night
while normal people slept,
it had the crack detectives stumped
as 'round the scene they crept.
Wen
For Jack had not come home
to his elegant skyscraper
and when they checked the office
they found bloodied shredded paper.
Bob
They checked the office kitchen
and found glad - wrapped in the freezer
suspicious frozen packages
all labelled 'Jack the geezer'
mkc
A crime scene was established and
they searched around for prints.
It seemed that Jack the Shredder
somehow turned himself to mince.
Just how he turned out packaged up
and frozen had them guessing -
the thoughts of mince in motion were
a little bit distressing.
JP
Another clue then came to light
explaining all within
a chick called Fanny (File It)
had emptied out the bin
She noticed Jack all minced and torn,
'twas more than she could bear
and so she packaged old Jack up
shrink wrapped, labelled with care .
mkc
They tried to charge poor Fanny
as an accessory, after the fact.
but they were not aware that Fan
and Jack had sworn and signed a pact.
Bob
A pact of undying devious devotion
to outlast their final years.
Those that gathered 'round the freezer
shed some saddened, salted tears.
Jim.
But Fanny had an older sister
I think Julia was her name.
She had opened up a bank account
insurance benefits to claim.
Bob
See Julia needed extra money
her dilemma it was dire.
She had nothing in the coffers
and people said she was a liar!
Bp
But people are so quick to judge
and don’t give a fair go
Poor Julia had done her best
her sister knew it was so
mkc
about serial killers through the ages.
Ones that make ya blood run cold
and made a mark in histories pages.
Bob
But this bloke tore his victims up
like he was grating cheddar,
he'd leave behind a minced up mess -
his name was Jack the Shredder.
JP
A shy and quiet bloke was Jack
some thought he was a twit.
But he turned into a demon
when someone called out "Shred it" !
Bob
He’d race around the office floor
gathering paper left and right
then he’d commandeer the shredder
screaming at it ‘Shred it right’
mkc
An incident occurred one night
while normal people slept,
it had the crack detectives stumped
as 'round the scene they crept.
Wen
For Jack had not come home
to his elegant skyscraper
and when they checked the office
they found bloodied shredded paper.
Bob
They checked the office kitchen
and found glad - wrapped in the freezer
suspicious frozen packages
all labelled 'Jack the geezer'
mkc
A crime scene was established and
they searched around for prints.
It seemed that Jack the Shredder
somehow turned himself to mince.
Just how he turned out packaged up
and frozen had them guessing -
the thoughts of mince in motion were
a little bit distressing.
JP
Another clue then came to light
explaining all within
a chick called Fanny (File It)
had emptied out the bin
She noticed Jack all minced and torn,
'twas more than she could bear
and so she packaged old Jack up
shrink wrapped, labelled with care .
mkc
They tried to charge poor Fanny
as an accessory, after the fact.
but they were not aware that Fan
and Jack had sworn and signed a pact.
Bob
A pact of undying devious devotion
to outlast their final years.
Those that gathered 'round the freezer
shed some saddened, salted tears.
Jim.
But Fanny had an older sister
I think Julia was her name.
She had opened up a bank account
insurance benefits to claim.
Bob
See Julia needed extra money
her dilemma it was dire.
She had nothing in the coffers
and people said she was a liar!
Bp
But people are so quick to judge
and don’t give a fair go
Poor Julia had done her best
her sister knew it was so
mkc
Check out The Scribbly Bark Poets blog site here -
http://scribblybarkpoetry.blogspot.com.au/
I may not always succeed in making a difference, but I will go to my grave knowing I at least tried.
http://scribblybarkpoetry.blogspot.com.au/
I may not always succeed in making a difference, but I will go to my grave knowing I at least tried.
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- Joined: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:18 am
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Re: COLLABORATIVE POEM 19 - JACK THE SHREDDER
Now you've heard some funny stories
about serial killers through the ages.
Ones that make ya blood run cold
and made a mark in histories pages.
Bob
But this bloke tore his victims up
like he was grating cheddar,
he'd leave behind a minced up mess -
his name was Jack the Shredder.
JP
A shy and quiet bloke was Jack
some thought he was a twit.
But he turned into a demon
when someone called out "Shred it" !
Bob
He’d race around the office floor
gathering paper left and right
then he’d commandeer the shredder
screaming at it ‘Shred it right’
mkc
An incident occurred one night
while normal people slept,
it had the crack detectives stumped
as 'round the scene they crept.
Wen
For Jack had not come home
to his elegant skyscraper
and when they checked the office
they found bloodied shredded paper.
Bob
They checked the office kitchen
and found glad - wrapped in the freezer
suspicious frozen packages
all labelled 'Jack the geezer'
mkc
A crime scene was established and
they searched around for prints.
It seemed that Jack the Shredder
somehow turned himself to mince.
Just how he turned out packaged up
and frozen had them guessing -
the thoughts of mince in motion were
a little bit distressing.
JP
Another clue then came to light
explaining all within
a chick called Fanny (File It)
had emptied out the bin
She noticed Jack all minced and torn,
'twas more than she could bear
and so she packaged old Jack up
shrink wrapped, labelled with care .
mkc
They tried to charge poor Fanny
as an accessory, after the fact.
but they were not aware that Fan
and Jack had sworn and signed a pact.
Bob
A pact of undying devious devotion
to outlast their final years.
Those that gathered 'round the freezer
shed some saddened, salted tears.
Jim.
But Fanny had an older sister
I think Julia was her name.
She had opened up a bank account
insurance benefits to claim.
Bob
See Julia needed extra money
her dilemma it was dire.
She had nothing in the coffers
and people said she was a liar!
Bp
But people are so quick to judge
and don’t give a fair go
Poor Julia had done her best
her sister knew it was so
mkc
So the sorry saga ended
as the police would soon discover.
Jack and Fans remains were entertwined
and true love did they recover.
Bob
about serial killers through the ages.
Ones that make ya blood run cold
and made a mark in histories pages.
Bob
But this bloke tore his victims up
like he was grating cheddar,
he'd leave behind a minced up mess -
his name was Jack the Shredder.
JP
A shy and quiet bloke was Jack
some thought he was a twit.
But he turned into a demon
when someone called out "Shred it" !
Bob
He’d race around the office floor
gathering paper left and right
then he’d commandeer the shredder
screaming at it ‘Shred it right’
mkc
An incident occurred one night
while normal people slept,
it had the crack detectives stumped
as 'round the scene they crept.
Wen
For Jack had not come home
to his elegant skyscraper
and when they checked the office
they found bloodied shredded paper.
Bob
They checked the office kitchen
and found glad - wrapped in the freezer
suspicious frozen packages
all labelled 'Jack the geezer'
mkc
A crime scene was established and
they searched around for prints.
It seemed that Jack the Shredder
somehow turned himself to mince.
Just how he turned out packaged up
and frozen had them guessing -
the thoughts of mince in motion were
a little bit distressing.
JP
Another clue then came to light
explaining all within
a chick called Fanny (File It)
had emptied out the bin
She noticed Jack all minced and torn,
'twas more than she could bear
and so she packaged old Jack up
shrink wrapped, labelled with care .
mkc
They tried to charge poor Fanny
as an accessory, after the fact.
but they were not aware that Fan
and Jack had sworn and signed a pact.
Bob
A pact of undying devious devotion
to outlast their final years.
Those that gathered 'round the freezer
shed some saddened, salted tears.
Jim.
But Fanny had an older sister
I think Julia was her name.
She had opened up a bank account
insurance benefits to claim.
Bob
See Julia needed extra money
her dilemma it was dire.
She had nothing in the coffers
and people said she was a liar!
Bp
But people are so quick to judge
and don’t give a fair go
Poor Julia had done her best
her sister knew it was so
mkc
So the sorry saga ended
as the police would soon discover.
Jack and Fans remains were entertwined
and true love did they recover.
Bob
The purpose in life is to have fun.
After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
After you grasp that everything else seems insignificant !!!
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Re: COLLABORATIVE POEM 19 - JACK THE SHREDDER
What do you meant ENTERTWINED there's no such word Robert - you made that up.
They may have been interred, or entwined or entertained or intertwined - so stop mucking about.....



They may have been interred, or entwined or entertained or intertwined - so stop mucking about.....




Check out The Scribbly Bark Poets blog site here -
http://scribblybarkpoetry.blogspot.com.au/
I may not always succeed in making a difference, but I will go to my grave knowing I at least tried.
http://scribblybarkpoetry.blogspot.com.au/
I may not always succeed in making a difference, but I will go to my grave knowing I at least tried.